I hardly need add that they enjoy night as well as day, the cycle of seasons, the stars, sea and land, and the assistance of their fellow human beings, without giving any of them a thought; they only want to cough up their little argument and head off to the bath after thereby giving their stomach a workout. [34] Nor are they particular about what they say, or with whom; or stop to consider how their opinions could influence others. I wonder what the effect of hearing them might have on a youth who shows promise; his potential might be completely undermined. [35] We could give adulterers grounds for rationalizing their behaviour; such arguments could provide pretexts to misappropriate state funds; a rebellious young man could be emboldened further to rebel against his parents. So what, according to you, is good or bad, virtuous or vicious – this or that? [36] What point is there in trying to refute one of these philosophers, arguing with them, or trying to alter their opinion? [37] You’d have a better chance persuading someone to change their sexual orientation than reaching people who have rendered themselves so deaf and blind.
Discourses 2.20.33
Today’s meditation
The underlying Stoic issue in this passage is the danger of careless and unexamined opinions, as well as the importance of being mindful of the company we keep and the ideas we expose ourselves to. As Epictetus notes, "they only want to cough up their little argument and head off to the bath" (Discourses 2.20.33), highlighting the thoughtless and selfish nature of some individuals.
This passage reveals that living well requires being thoughtful and considerate of the impact our words and actions have on others. It also warns against the influence of bad company and the potential for corrupting ideas to undermine one's character. As Epictetus cautions, "his potential might be completely undermined" (Discourses 2.20.34), emphasizing the importance of surrounding oneself with positive and virtuous influences.
To apply this insight today, one might reflect on the company they keep and the ideas they expose themselves to. Ask yourself: What kind of people do I surround myself with? What kind of ideas and opinions do I engage with? Are they conducive to living a virtuous and thoughtful life? By being mindful of these influences, one can take steps to cultivate a more positive and supportive environment that promotes living well.
As you go about your day, consider the potential impact of your own words and actions on others. Ask yourself: How might my opinions and behaviors influence those around me? Am I being thoughtful and considerate in my interactions with others? By living with intention and awareness, one can strive to create a positive and uplifting presence in the world. As Epictetus implies, it is up to each individual to take responsibility for their own character and to surround themselves with influences that promote virtue and wisdom.